My newest CD, “Sketches
From the Thought Chamber”, is a major musical step for me, as
it features some fresh new elements of my playing and
composition skills, and truly expresses where my mind is at
presently : fusing progressive, jazz, and metal influences. As
usual, the compositions themselves are more important than the
notes within them, and what surfaced here is a “sci-fi
soundtrack-ish” sound to many of the tunes, some extremely
twisted melodies, two acoustic numbers, several songs with
serious grooves, and the most beautiful piece I have ever
written, “A Soul’s Torment”.
I have heard many
differences from your first solo CD, "Defense", and
your other solo albums. The lastest CD is far more cool, with
great delay, vibrato and more melodic. True songs!
Well, thank you. Those are
always the 2 biggest compliments anyone can pay me : that I
improve from album to album and that the songs and melodies are
paramount. The guitar is just a tool of expression to me to get
the songs out! Technique is important, but secondary to the
music itself.
Do you like Hip Hop, Rap, R & B and other music
styles, as seen on MTV?
I have watched very little
TV at all in mo
When I released my first
album, I was young and still living at home. I had to time to
practice and write music 10 hours a day or more. When it came
time to move out and get some independence, SURPRISE! Things
seemed to progress a little more slowly. On top of that, I want
this next release to be something I am really proud of. I didn't
want to release something just for the sake of releasing it. I
wrote large quantities of material after my debut release, but
didn't feel it represented where I wanted to go musically.
What are the
differences from your Shrapnel debut CD and your new one?
Probably the most obvious
difference between the new stuff I am writing and the Shrapnel
release, is the fact that I am going to be singing on it. Also,
I feel I matured a great deal as a guitar player and can
communicate much better musically then I could back then.
Do you like the latest
work by Satriani? Do you like the Techno, Jungle, R&B, Hip
Hop, Rap and other types of this musical trend as seen on MTV?
I think Satriani is a
wonderful musician. My favorite release of his is "Surfin
with the Alien", but anything he puts out is very high
quality. To answer part B of this question, I am not too
concerned about judging the music on what style it is, but
rather on how well I think it is done. Variety is great and I
really like it when there is a large palette of music to choose
from. Some of my favorite contemporary artists are Tool, Limp
Bizkit, Rage, Disturbed, Soundgarden and Alice and Chains.
In your opinion, is the
future of music the Internet?
I think the Internet will
play an extremelly important role in the future of music,
Napster is a perfect example. The whole idea of file sharing is
obviously turning the industry upside down. I think that
eventually the Internet will help the bands, especially the ones
just starting out, since it puts everyone on a more equal
playing field.
Stephen ... we'll await
your new CD... Come on already!
I am working hard on the
new CD and should have it completed by early next year.
I tend to listen to bebop.
Most rock-fusion sounds too cold and clinical to my ears. I also
find most of it comes across as twee and pretentious. I could
also say the same for a lot of modern jazz; a lot of players
sound like they are giving you a geometry lesson on their
instrument. I'd rather listen to somebody with real soul like
Django Reinhardt or Charlie Parker. I started off with rock
guitar, but got good pretty quickly and so was looking for new
challenges. Bebop has got to be one of the most challenging
forms of music. It involves improvising over chord progressions
that are often changing keys several times in one bar - it's a
fascinating thing to study. That's one of the great things about
that style of jazz: you never master it, you just get better.
Who are your favorite
guitar players from the past and for the next millennium?
I try not to listen to
guitarists if I can help it because I think it's important to
sound different. Although, when I started playing guitar, there
were certain guitar players who I loved - Michael Schenker, Van
Halen, Allan Holdsworth - I went through a big phase of copying
all three. I know that it sounds a bit of a cliché, but, these
days, I like to listen to piano players and sax players. If I'm
in the car, I tend to listen to sax players like Dave Liebman.
Occasionally, I will listen to a new release by someone like
Yngwie or George Lynch, but I usually just make cassette tapes
of all the solos so that I don't have to listen to the horrible
music. I've always been a rock guitar fan, but never a big fan
of rock music in general.
Could you describe your
gear in detail?
My main guitar is a cream
'Relic' Fender Custom Shop Stratocaster (57 re-issue). It has a
swamp-ash body, a maple neck and fingerboard and uses '57
-custom' pick-ups. On my 'JazzMetal" album I used an ocean
spray Yngwie Malmsteen signature model Fender Stratocaster with
HS-3 Dimarzio stacked humbucker pick-ups, alder body and a
scalloped maple fingerboard. I've also got an original 1962
fiesta red Fender Stratocaster with an alder body, maple neck
and a rosewood fingerboard. My Strats usually only have 21 frets
when I buy them, so I usually have an extra fret added to each
of them. As far as amplification is concerned, you name it I've
owned it: Rivera, Boogie, Fender, ADA. For my Jazz Metal album,
I used the Malmsteen Strat, through a Marshall Guv'nor foot
pedal, into a Marshall jMP-1 pre-amp. For effects, I used a
Rockotron Intellifex and a BBE sonic Maximiser, which is a time
alignment device. This then all went through a Peavey Classic
120 Stereo valve power amp into two Marshall 4 x 12s" For
the last few years, I've been using a couple of Marshall '59
reissue 100 watt valve heads into two 4 x 12 Marshall cabinets,
both with vintage 30 speaker. I've also reverted to a more
stripped down effects set-up. I've got a Boss OD-2 distortion
pedal linked up to three Boss DD3 delays. I also us an old Cry
Baby wah-wah pedal, an Ernie Ball Volume pedal and an Aria stage
tuner. When I play live, I also use a wireless system. Recently,
I just started using a Cornford custom 50watt valve head and two
2x12s, which is a British hand-built am that all my guitar
friends have been raving about - Joe Satriani has just bought
one. I'll probably use this with an Intellifex etc as a lot of
my new tunes require a harmoniser when I play live (I usually
play as a three piece) For strings, I use Hybrid Slinkies by
Picato (009 - 046). For picks, I usually alternate between using
Dunlop 1.5ml plectrums (the purple ones) and steel ones; which I
prefer for rock sometimes because they have all the attack of a
thin pick but also produce all the thickness of tone you get
from a thick pick.
Your favorite 10 guitar
albums of all time:
These aren't in any
particular order. Interesting that there aren't any
straight-ahead jazz guitarists - it shows that I'm a rocker at
heart! 'Strangers in the Night' - UFO (Michael Schenker)
'MSG' - MSG (Michael Schenker)
'Elegant Gypsey' - Al DiMeola
'Live in Leningrad' - Yngwie Malmsteen
'Van Halen I' - Van Halen
'Fair Warning' - Van Halen
'Live in the Air Age' - Bebop deluxe (Bill Nelson)
'Feels good to me' - Bruford (Allan Holdsworth)
'One of a kind' - Bruford (Allan Holdsworth)
'UK' - UK (Allan Holdsworth)
If I had eleven choices, I'd also like to add 'Trilogy' by
Yngwie.
This summer you will
play with Allan Holdsworth. In the near future, a collaboration
CD?!!? Don't keep secrets from us, Shaun!
Unfortunatley, that has
all changed. Allan can't make the gig now, which is at The
Guildhall in Bath on the 6th August 2000, so I'm going to do it
with Frank Gambale instead. It's a pity, because I was looking
forward to playing with Allan, but they certainly picked the
best replacement with Frank. I'm looking forward to it. Frank's
going to be playing with my trio which consists of Me,
Paul Elliott on drums and Terry Gregory on bass. Terry also
plays bass for Martin Taylor.
When you are soloing
over a chord progression, you think in terms of...
Generally, I divide all
the chords in music into one of the following six different
catagories, maj7, 7, min7, min7b5, 7alt and dim7. I have various
scale options for each chord type. It's hard to put in a
nutshell, because I've been studying and teaching jazz for over
ten years and, in that time, I've collected thousands of licks
and techniques that will help me to negotiate various chords and
certain chord combinations. When people ask me to recommend some
good books on the subject I find it very difficult, because
there is no one book out there with all the answers.
Consequently, I've decided to write some books on the subject of
playing through changes (from a guitarist's point of view) that
will be available on my web site pretty soon.
Do you compose the
harmony and structure of the song before the melody; or
vice-versa?
I use alot of different
methods when I write my tunes. A tune like, 'I'm Not Sure Yet',
started off as a chord progression that suggested a melody,
whereas, 'G-Spot Blues' just came out one day when I was
improvising along to a drum groove. Sometimes a write a tune to
order: with 'Birdman', for instance, I wanted to write an
up-tempo jazz blues in Bb, whereas tunes like , 'Strike Up the
Band', 'Make t Reel' and 'Open Invitation' started with some
riff that my drummer, Paul Elliott, came up with.
What are your thoughts
on Greg Howe? Like you, he's a jazz-metal bishop...
JazzMetal is a word and
style of music that I invented in the early '90s as a means of
describing my music, which is something that combines the lead
lines and chord progressions of bebop with the aggression of
heavy rock. If you like, somewhere between Charlie Parker and
Yngwie Malmsteen. Players like Greg Howe, Ritchie Kotzen, Bret
Garsed and TJ Helmerich are fusion players who all admit that
they are trying to follow in the footsteps of Allan Holdsworth,
which is the very thing that I've been trying to avoid. I think
that Allan Holdsworth is a genius, but it's pointless to try to
do what he does because he's been doing it much better than
anyone-else for nearly 30 years. For me, I have always liked the
sophistication of bebop, but have always felt that is isn't hard
hitting enough. I've also liked the aggression of heavy metal,
but have always felt like it lacks sophistication. I play
my style of music so that I can have the best of both worlds. 'Fusion'
is too lightweight for me. My style of music is heavier and much
more aggressive. I don't want you to think that I don't admire a
guitarist like Greg Howe because I do. If somebody asks me about
'state of the art' rock technique, I tell them that they should
listen to Greg Howe or Scott Mishoe, but I'm just not interested
in sounding like another guitarist. If there are any
similarities it is purely coincidental. Greg Howe was recording
his first fusion album the same year that I was recording my 'JazzMetal'
album (1993). We have some similar rock influences, such as Van
Halen and Yngwie, but that's where the similarity ends.
Upcoming projects?
It's been a long time
since I did my first album, but I've been incredibly busy. A lot
of your readers might know my playing from 'Guitar Techniques'
magazine. I've been writing for them for the last 5-6 years. I've
had enormous work commitments and various personal reasons that
have kept me recording for a long time. However, I have just
bought my own studio and started gigging again. I intend to put
out at least one new album every year from now on. I've already
got over half the material for a new one that will be released
towards the end of this year (aptly titled, 'Back In Business')
Will you ever play in
Italy?
I'd love to come - I have
a lot of fans in Italy. I've been asked by quite a few big
artists to go on tour, but I'm not really interested in going on
tour for months and months on end. My band and I would like to
do things on a much more civilised basis, where we, perhaps,
just come over to Europe one or two weekends a month - that
would be nice! Having said that, I'm due to play with Carl
Palmer next Summer and I know that we're definitely coming to
Italy. I'm basically replacing Keith Emerson. I'll be fronting a
guitar, bass and drums three-piece line-up, playing a lot of the
ELP stuff. Who knows how that might develop? Carl is very
connected and well respected. I know that we've already got gigs
booked in all round Europe, including a Friday night at the
Montreaux Jazz festival and a week's residency at Ronnie Scott's
in London.
Hahahahahaha - hello Matt!Thank
you for the interview. The picture is Frank (our bassist)
slipping on the ground while losing 7 oranges he bought at a
grocery store in Brooklyn. We had 5 other possible covers for
the CD. You can see them all in the photo gallery at
Bumblefoot.com.
Why don't more solo/albums
or is the Bumblefoot band ... the true Ron Thal?
I will do more solo albums.
I've concentrated on Bumblefoot, and producing, but I think it's
time to release some "guitar music" - I'm working on a
CD with lots of strange fretless guitar in it - should be
finished by January 2001.
What do you think about
the new trend of Guitar & Techno Music?
The trend started with
Marc Pattison - he was doing that for years, and he kicks ass. I
hope he gets the recognition for it. I think it's a good
direction (but not the ONLY direction) for guitar music. I'd
like it more if I was a better dancer.
Do you like the music/videos
as seen on MTV ? When is Bumblefoot going to be on it??
I like some of it - we had
some music used on the MTV show Undressed, over the summer and
we just finished a video - maybe MTV will play it? It's
not my goal to be on MTV - in the US, you have to become a
slave to a major record label to get recognized, and if the RIAA
(organization made of 5 major labels) doesn't get a piece of
your money, they don't want you having success without them.
All I care about is that you, the GuitarChef readers, the REAL
people get to hear the music and see the video. That's
what makes the internet so important to independent musicians -
it's our communication.
Now you are one of the
more important artists of Vigier Guitars ...
Do you think? I just try
to do my best for them - they're an amazing company, with so
much integrity in what they do. I'm glad to know them as friends
- not just for their guitars.
The last question: You
are very strange and crazy in your music but in your private
life, who is the real Ron Thal?
There are many sides to
any person - I like to laugh and have fun with friends, but I
also like to be serious and take care of business, I like to
spend quality time with my wife, but I also like to live for
music touring, writing, recording. I like to be generous
and help people when I can, but when someone tries to screw me
in business I hunt them down and eat them. If you hear all
that in my music - fun and laughter, hard work, love, energy,
kindness, and wrath - then maybe I am Ron Thal the guitarist.
But I feel that guitar is only 1 thing that we do - it doesn't
define everything that we are.Thank you for the interview.
Give my warmest regards to the wonderful guitarists of Italy!
Yeah ! The bass player
lives in Texas now and is playing with band called The Nixons .
I play with Glen sometimes , but my next project will be mostly
just me . I hope the program everything but i may end up using
Glen on the Roland V Drum Kit which will give me a Midi Files
performance i can edit !
You are on tour with
Jeff Beck ... and the repoire with Michael Jackson ?
I'm currently in London
rehashing with Jeff Beck . The tours start in Japan in December
. Jeff's cd will be out mid October .
Tell me the truth
Jennifer, you are an endorser of Washburn Guitars and no longer
with Ibanez. Why ?
I had too much trouble
with the Ibanez necks warping . 7 bad guitars in 7 bad years !!!
With Washburn i have my own model now with a Synth Pick Up.
And, why is it other
great musicians like Frank Gambale , Scott Henderson , Shawn
Lane , Richie Kotzen etc... now play other brand instruments ?
I don't know their reasons
for changing .
The Ibanez Company does
not have a serious repore with the artists ?
Can't answer that .
You are the Number One
Female Guitarist . Do you like any other new female artists like,
Jaye Foucher ?
Yeah , she's great . There
are others out there too. Linda Taylor is one to watch out for
in the next few years!