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In this section I'd write something about how the "genre hardcore" was born and developed in California.
I identified some topics that I'd like to have more clear:

 

Definitions: What hardcore is and/or was

Time: General Scheme - The beginning - The end - "Decadence" and Beyond

Place: LA vs SF (attitude - music) - From the City to the Suburbs

Music: To trash or not to trash?

Other Issues: Audience & Subgeneres - Violence

If anybody knows the answers for these questions please tell me, and pardon me if this seems trivial...

 

Definitions

I still have difficulties in defining what was hardcore and what was simple punk/rock, especially in California were all the bands had lots of melody in their sound.
Today's critics contributed to my confusion because they have tendencies to label "hardcore" all the groups that were in activity in the early '80s, even when the musicians refuse this classification for their music.
And also yesterday's fans don't help me much because they have their personal definition for this kind of music and call "hardcore" the groups they liked :P

I understand that "hardcore" back then referred to an "attitude" of the bands, even if such attitude remains still quite gloomy and I don't get if it was more similar to a personal proclamation or a divine investiture :P :P
Anyway I have the tendency to call a group "hardcore" or "punk/rock" mainly according to the music they played. I am convinced that the first aspect that should be influenced by the attitude of a band is the music they play: for example, a group that plays more easy-listening and melodic songs to attract a wider audience and sell more records, sure is not hardcore.
I also believe that a hardcore bands are those that give more importance to their sound than to their looks, and that want to develop a fast music, with confrontational lyrics and maybe with a weak linkage with the music of the past...

So, for different reasons I don't repute groups like Fear, X, Bad Religion, Youth Brigade, etc. as hardcore bands and I won't talk much about them in this special about "hardcore" punk. I don't mean to say these are not good bands or that they "sold-out", but just that I don't believe they are hardcore "enough".
This are my ideas and probably you can think that I'm naive, but please let me know if I am wrong!!!

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Time Sequence

I identified a common scheme in the evolution of punk bands in those years:

1- A wave of groups that started to play faster music, to have a more confrontational attitude and so on, but that still had a strong connection to the 77 music. (Before 1980)

2- Then the hardcore scene was formed and a hardcore way of songwriting was the standard. This is both good (if you like the fast, aggressive edge) and bad (many groups sounded too similar between one another) aspects. (After 1980)

3- Then I believe that the melodic, personal, melancholic edge (that was always present, in some bands more than in others) took over and became the main trend. Maybe also because they could attract a larger audience and sell more records?? (around 1984, in the US)

I think this describes well what happened in DC, but I'm beginning to doubt that such "straight-cut" categories fit properly for the scene in California. There were more overlaps and melody has always been a strong ingredient of West Coast music. What do you think about it?

There's a common rumour saying that the name for our musical genre was invented by DOA's LP "Hardcore '81" in 1981. Anyway several years before, in California, DC, Canada and even Ohio there was a sense that a new form of punk was taking shape...
* When did such bands begin to have a common sense of belonging to a new "species"?
* Would you consider bands like Middle Class (that almost completed the "speed-up" process in the late '70s) as hardcore or a more structured scene (like that developed after 1980) is essential?

Some critics set the milestone for the ending of the "golden period" of HardCore in California very early, in 1982, and consider the comp LP "Not so quiet on the Western Front" its last genuine documentation.
I've heard also many opposite opinions (hardcore was in that years just beginning to spread all over the world), but I generally agree because I think that most of the bands that appeared in California since 1983 lacked originality and even speed or other basic qualities of this musical genre and they were a lot inferior to bands coming from other States. Of course there were some good bands that came out later, but I believe that the Californian scene in general became really deteriorated (as "native" groups, I mean, because many good stranger groups still found California's venues the best place to play).

I made the analysis above based on the music, but I've read on magazines or in the letters that they sent me, that many people who lived that scene or were in famous bands have a quite different opinion. They blame the "growing violence at the shows" for the decadence that happened after/during 1982. I'm quite puzzled about it: sure violence isn't a positive aspect, but it was always present in the California punk scene. Jack Grisham's first band's (Vicious Circle) shows were more similar to gang fights than ever and there were ambulances waiting outside, I've been told! And it was before 1980, not a novelty of 1982...
I don't know if they want to say that hardcore music inspired violence in the audience just because it was wilder, but sure they couldn't go on playing like the Weirdos, X or the Germs for much longer. And hardcore brought also awareness against violence thru straight-edge etc. I'm not so naive to believe that the guys in the hardcore bands never instigate the audience, but I'm sure that also those who still now bring out this problem aren't completely innocent...
Anyway, the violence issue was quite exclusive of California, so I wonder if people who felt this problem despised only the hardcore bands from LA or the whole HC movement... If the latter is true, this "increased violence" issue sounds much like an excuse to me :P
Another similar issue is about intolerance... I don't believe that the hardcore scene was intolerant to subjects that regarded race or personal choices, but it contributed to fight against such prejudices. Of course (and luckily!) it was made by individual characters who were more or less tollerant on different subjects and maybe among them there were also some rednecks...
But I think it's different if they criticized bands or different subgenres if they were more pop-oriented or acting like rockstars. I think that it was right to criticize such groups because they had a traditional approach to music and wanted to make money, but maybe were sold like "great indipendent minds" and attracted a large number of kids "cheating" in some way.
These above are, more than my unmoveable opinions, my doubts about an issue that I never got explained clearly. Everybody just said "it sucked because there was violence" or "they were rednecks". So maybe I'm the one with biases, but I can understand if things are made clear; let me know your opinions about this topics too!

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Los Angeles vs San Francisco

These were the two major cities and I've heard that their bands and kids had a different attitude.

* Maybe the bands and the scene in general was more political in SF?
* The shows were very violent in LA and often ended up in clashes with the police... Did this happen in SF?
* I've heard also that the kids in SF went only to the shows of famous bands. Is that true?
* And were the LA bands (those of the late 70's) acting and not being genuine or was it just a joke??

More specific about the music:

* I think that besides the Dead Kennedys, the bands that were around in SF at the very beginning of the 80's still had a strong rock'n'roll influence and weren't affected by hardcore... Am I wrong?
* Could it be because in SF there were great '77 bands like Crime and they wanted to keep a strong link with them?
* A lot of people told be that LA did not have any '77 band, but so what were F-word, Negative Trend and those on Dangerhouse?

From the City to the Suburbs

It seems that, as time went by, the ideas and novelties in the big cities dried out (or maybe and that the scene gradually moved toward the suburbs. In LA, first the major scene was in downtown and Hollywood (where most punks were art students, drug addict, etc.) later the egemony was taken by bands who live in the suburbs like Huntington Beach & Hermosa Beach and eventually there was a major interest in Orange County, where the audience was mainly made by teenage surfers and skaters. Something similar happen also in Northern California, I suppose. (Around 1982?)
* How did the music follow such "migration"?

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The song form of thrasher

I had always considered thrashers the rawest (and probably best) expression of hardcore and also a typical american way of writing punk songs... I think of groups like Minor Threat, Teen Idles, SOA, Middle Class and Circle Jerks that already around 1980 played only short songs and recorded albums or 7" that contained only thrashers...

Anyway looking deeply into the Californian Scene I noticed that most of the groups in that area in the early 80's still wrote and played both short and long songs and that maybe being more radical was peculiar of European, Discharge derivative bands?!?
Famous groups did that: Black Flags 7"s contain almost only short and fast songs, but in their first LP "Demaged" they recorded also some songs written in a traditional form; and even in DK's most radical work "In God we trust INC" there are 6 thrashers plus a long track with cuts from California Uber Alles and a cover of a country classic!
And also less famous groups used to mix traditional punk-songs with hardcore thrashers. I can think of what Circle One did in the comp "Public Service" or what many others did in the obscure comp "Who Cares".

So I wonder why these groups often didn't choose clearly and radically to play only the thrashers or only the longer songs, even after that records that contained only thrashers were released...
I should ask that to the people who were playing in those bands, but if someone has ideas about it I'd like to ear them!

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Audience & Subgeneres

I often ear talking about "strangely imbred" subgenres like Surf-Punk, Skate-Punk & Skate-Core and I wonder if something made them different from the mother-genre.
* There was something valuable behind this definition or did these bands stay alive only exploiting fads and vogues?
* And somehow did they try to "complete" the more straight forward hardcore scene or maybe they wanted to "oppose" it?

There were kind of "factions" between the audience according to musical tastes or what-ever? Did quys that were into hardcore like also melodic punk? Or did they simply judge by how the bands played or by their attitude?

I also believe that in California there were (and maybe still are) more people that dressed like English punks and played English derived music. Was it only a fad? How did they relate with the others?

I also understood that the big audience explosion happened in 1982, but that not everybody liked the new people that was coming at the shows, right?

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