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[Robert Lazar (7k)]

Bob Lazar

Claims to have worked with alien craft at "Area S-4" in Nevada

Analysis by Glenn Campbell

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Lazar offers an interesting, intelligent, unverifiable story surrounded by lies....

Bob Lazar claims to have worked with alien spacecraft at a secret U.S. Government facility at Papoose Lake, about 80 miles north of Las Vegas. Lazar intially made his claims on a local Las Vegas television station in Nov. 1989. He says he worked at a facility called "Area S-4" at Papoose Dry Lake, south of the known government air base at Area 51, in late 1988 and early 1989. There he says he saw nine flying saucers housed in hangars built into a hillside. Lazar says he had hands-on experience with one of the craft and he can describe its propulsion system in detail. Lazar says he read briefing papers about the alien presence but that he saw no aliens himself (aside from a fleeting glimpse of a small figure through a window at the facility).

The core story is, almost by definition, unverifiable, since no one can go to Papoose Lake to check it out. The only thing we can investigate are the claims that surround it. If Lazar does not tell the truth about the things we can verify, how can we trust the things we can't verify?

Lazar has lied about his educational credentials and his position at Los Alamos. He claims that his records have vanished and that the government has turned him into a "non-person", but there are no specific records that can't be accounted for. Only his educational records are missing, which plainly never existed to begin with. All evidence indicates that Lazar worked at Los Alamos as a repair technician, not as a senior scientist as he claimed. There is also no evidence that Lazar has ever visited Area 51, which unlike the S-4 claim, can at least be checked out "off the record" through former Area 51 workers. Lazar says he travelled to "S-4" by way of Area 51 on daily 737 flights that hundreds of other workers take. Although he says that Area 51 was only a transfer point for him, he has been unable describe the arrivals area or what you see when you first get off the plane.

The simplest theory to explain the Lazar story is that it is completely false and that he concocted it initally to fool John Lear, who had been telling extravagant aliens-at-Area-51 stories for a couple of years before Lazar arrived. Lazar could have simply fed back to Lear a more rational version of what Lear wanted to hear. Other more complex theories say that Lazar is recounting a real flying saucer experience that actually took place elsewhere or in different circumstances, or that he is a dupe or willing participant in some complicated U.S. Government or foreign government plan. (For example, it could have been attempt by the Soviets to probe or disrupt activities at Area 51. Is so, this would not have been the most convoluted deception of the Cold War.) Motivation for the fraud remains murky, as Lazar and his primary supporter Gene Huff have ignored or sabotaged many opportunities for financial gain from the story. (Although movie options and the saucer model kit have made the story profitable for him, Lazar seems disinterested in pursuing deals.) Thanks to Huff's aggressive attacks on anyone who questions the story, it is hard to find many Lazar supporters left in the UFO community, even among those who want desperately to believe.

All lies and mismanagement aside, Lazar's is a fascinating tale, compelling even as fiction. Its restraint and long-term internal consistancy remain impressive. Lazar's straightforward explanations of his experiences, his healthy skepticism of other UFO claims and his early willingness to submit to hypnosis and a polygraph test remain intriguing. (The test was inconclusive, and the professional hypnotist believes Lazar's emotional responses to his recalled S-4 experiences were not faked.) Ultimately, Lazar's claims have prompted the world to ask, "What is out there at Area 51?"


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  1. Official Lazar Web Site
  2. Campbell's Lazar Theory #1: Fraud for Bigelow Funding, and responses by Lazar camp.
  3. Mahood's Bob Lazar Corner, including the flaws in the story
  4. Contact. Note: Lazar has shown little interest in responding to UFO researchers and enthusiasts. Most mail is not answered.
  5. Searches
  6. Major Works
  7. Transcripts
  8. References
  9. Exchanges
  10. Photos
  11. Synopses and Investigations
  12. Internet Resources.
  13. Researchers: These people have looked into the Lazar story and conducted original research.
  14. Associates These people are associates of Lazar or knew him prior to his public S-4 claims.


Lazar's story does demonstrate a good understanding of the Nellis Range and how it operates, but this information could have been obtained from Jim Tagliani and other workers doing routine classified work on the range. There is an unconfirmed report that Lazar worked briefly for a contractor, Arcada Associates, operating mock anti-aircraft sites (Smoky Sams) on the range, and this would have given him a basic understanding of range operations and where to locate his fictional "S-4" installation. Lazar could have known that, because of the heavy secrecy here, his claims could never be disproven. (Reminiscent of the bogus Howard Hughes biography that surfaced when Hughes was in seclusion.) "Area S-4" could have been a corruption of "Site 4," a secret but fairly routine radar testing installation located between Groom Lake and the Tonopah Test Range. (It seems doubtful there would be both a "Site 4" and an "S-4" on the range, and Site 4 definitely exists.)

Furthermore, the time-frame of Lazar's alleged UFO experience seems unrealistically compressed. He is supposed to have gained all his experience in only a few visits to the site between November 1988 and April 1989. Those familiar with classified government programs say such a rapid exposure to a top secret project is highly unlikely.


Believers say that although some of Lazar's claims may be false, it does not mean they all are. They are impressed by the internal consistancy of the story itself and his relatively good performance on a polygraph test (although still inconclusive). Although Lazar's rapid involvement in the program might seem irregular, normal security might have been bypassed in this case due to a recommendation by Edward Teller, a prominent figure in secret government projects.

Unresolved Questions

If Lazar is a fraud, what was the original motivation? Did he do it for money or for some other purpose? Did he come up with the story on his own or with the help of others? Are there any pieces of truth in the story, or is it entirely fabricated?

The public still does not have any information on what, if anything, is going on a Papoose Lake. Although satellite photos show no obvious installations, no one without a security clearance has ever been allowed to visit. Anecdotes from former workers are equally divided about whether there are or are not any hidden installations there.

Other Lazar Claims

Personal Facts

Lazar is in his late-30s (He says he was born 1959.) and lives in Las Vegas. He says he makes his living through several small businesses including a photo studio and a company that repairs radiation monitors. Lazar has also earned income from movie options (for movies of his story that were never made), his video tape and a Testors plastic flying saucer model based on his account. (It is one of the best selling plastic models of all time and it could be worth a lot to Lazar if he received a per-item royalty.) Lazar has routinely turned down paid speaking engagements but has been paid for television interviews.

In the mid-1980s, prior to coming to Las Vegas, Lazar worked at Los Alamos National Laboratories, although some of the details of his employment are still unclear. (There is nothing to indicate a senior position as he claims.) He claims to have earned master's degrees at MIT and Cal-Tech, but these claims are unproven to say the least, and the professors he says he took classes with at these schools never existed there.

Lazar grew up on Long Island, NY, and graduated from High School in Westbury, NY, in 1976. He is known to have worked at Fairchild Electronics in the Los Angeles area in the early 1980s and then at Los Alamos. Also in Los Alamos, Lazar owned a one-hour photo shop.

Educational credentials aside, Lazar is certainly a highly capable technician in the area of explosives and propulsion systems. As hobbies, he owns a high-speed jet car and builds his own elaborate fireworks, which are displayed in an annual invitation-only fireworks show called Desert Blast.

In 1990, Lazar plead guilty to a pandering charge relating to the operation of an illegal brothel in Las Vegas. It was claimed in the formal charges that Lazar was a partner in the brothel and that he had installed a hidden video system in one apartment to photograph the business in the adjoining one. (This at least suggests that he is capable of exploiting others.) Around 1986, Lazar filed from bankruptcy protection in Las Vegas Federal Bankruptcy Court. The records for both cases are available to the public and yield extensive details about Lazar's background. As part of his sentencing on the pandering charge, a probation report was prepared. In this report, enforced by purjury laws, Lazar did not repeat his MIT and Cal-Tech claims.

In interviews, Lazar comes across as a reluctant witness who would rather avoid the limelight and who wishes the story would go away. He seems highly rational and does not expand his claims beyond those originally reported. In most regards, Lazar seems passive and disinterested in his own story and seems content to let Gene Huff handle most public interface. Lazar seems to have nothing to sell, and has never actively promoted his story. (Through his Tri-Dot company, he sells a video and poster, but he has never promoted them in his interviews.) He says he regards mosts UFO buffs as "nuts" and wants nothing to do with them (Gene Huff and John Lear aside).

Lazar offers few personal relationships to triangulate from. Lazar's father, although identified in Lazar's bankruptcy papers, has never spoken publically about his claims, Only one Lazar friend, Jim Tagliani, claims publically to have worked with Lazar prior to his arrival in Las Vegas. (They both worked at Fairchild Electronics in Southern California.) When queried about whether or not he believes Lazar, Tagliani just seems to shrug his shoulders. The three most active supporters of Lazar are Gene Huff, John Lear and George Knapp, the newsman who first publicized Lazar's claims. Each has already invested his reputation in the story. John Andrews, the designer of the saucer model, and stealth aircraft historian Jim Goodall both believe Lazar but have never actively defended him. Former astronaut Edgar Mitchell has visited Lazar; he says he thinks Lazar's experience was real but that he is misinterpreting some of the technical details. (Mitchell supports the theories of Hal Puthoff which conflict with the propulsion system Lazar describes.) Most others who are close to Lazar seem to respond as Tagliani does, apart from Gene Huff, who is an active supporter.

Former co-workers at Los Alamos confirm that Lazar worked for a contractor there but seem highly skeptical of his later S-4 claims. They assert that he never held any high-level position at Los Alamos.

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Reader Comments Regarding "Bob Lazar" - Latest First

Was Lazar Right??

I was reading some of Bob Lazar's interviews when I ran across some technical information regarding the "Alien reactor" on which he has clamed to have done research. Lazar mentions that the reactor bends space AND time. Could this be the reason behind the acceleration of growth detected in crop-circles which have been authenticated? Or is there a simple explanation for it, such as electro-magnetic disturbances caused by solar flares? Anyone got an idea, mail me! Coen Graamans

Coen Graamans (Snor@mailexcite.com ) 11/17/97 (#20)

Too Much To lose

If you have never had to report a ufo or equivilent, you have no idea what there is to face. It's not pretty. Bob Lazar had a lot to lose when he made his statements, and he faced ( and still faces ) the flack. Back in the 70's, a dog died from frequencies during a sighting. It was taken from the Vet's by military. Owners were ridiculed. It's time to open our eyes. They are here.

Lady M (pcmike@vegas.net ) 9/29/97 (#19)

pre-Lazar techies

I remember reading Dino Kraspedon's book on UFO technology as allegedly told him by a venusian, his crazy theory was based on creating a gravity field around the disk but in his case gravity repels (?!) and so the effect was to be thrown away from your source towards the destination. I place this propulsion theory in the same class of pseudo-science.

roland watson 9/19/97 (#18)

There is simply nothing like first-hand evidence

I first met Bob Lazar in late 1988, BEFORE his (alleged) work at S-4, and numerous times since (detailed in my 1991 statement, "UFOs, Aliens & 'Ex'-Intelligence Agents"). Is/was Bob telling the truth? It's a damn shame this debate still rages, considering all the benefits that could have issued from his claimed experience in a mutually cooperative atmosphere.

Lars Hansson (cyberlars44@hotmail.com ) 8/3/97 (#17)

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Cover Image Lazar Poster - The veracity of the Lazar claims aside, this is still a neat poster. It shows three schematic views of Lazar's "Sport Model" flying saucer found at the legendary "Area S-4." Includes cutaways and explanations of saucer components and functioning. In the background is a Russian satellite image of the Papoose Lake area -- an added bonus. Interestingly, the image fails to show any features that support Lazar's story -- except for an ambiguous "bubble" hovering over Papoose Lake! (It could be a flying saucer, or an artifact of the imaging. You might have to locate a Russian satellite imagery expert to find out.) It is an attractive poster by the Lazar/Huff conglomerate that really ought to be on Agent Mulder's wall. --gc  #lp $15.00 - More To order with Visa/MC, call 702-729-2648, or see Ordering Info.

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Cover Image UFOs: Secrets of the Black World - This is a German-made video marked by poor production values, sloppy editing, laughable English-language dubbing and a complete lack of skepticism. It is also our Number One recommended video on Area 51! Filmmaker and tabloid publisher Micheal Hesemann may have an ego the size of Manhattan, but at least in this video he lets people talk. This tape contains over two hours of interviews with Bob Lazar, George Knapp, John Lear, Norio Hayakawa and virtually every other Area 51 UFO character from the plausible to the rediculous.... [Continued] --gc  #black $39.95 - More To order with Visa/MC, call 702-729-2648, or see Ordering Info.

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Cover Image Lazar S-4 Spacecraft Model - Testor's plastic model kit of one of nine alien craft allegedly housed at Papoose Lake and examined by Bob Lazar. Details adhere strictly to Lazar's claims. Clear shell displays interior of craft, complete with "gravity amplification system" and seating for 3. An accompanying 15-page booklet describes the Lazar story. Kit also includes scale model alien pilots and a security guard, as well as a booklet explaining the Lazar story, and nice color images of Papoose Lake taken by a Russian spy satellite. Designed by John Andrews with Bob Lazar. Overpriced, given the simple design. --gc  #saucer $25.00 - More To order with Visa/MC, call 702-729-2648, or see Ordering Info.

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Cover Image Little Bob - This is a hand-painted sculpture of Bob Lazar doing what he does best: reluctantly explaining anti-gravity propulsion systems at the blackboard. He is wearing a white lab coat, quite useless of course, but it does make him look more like a "scientist." The Research Center commissioned an anonymous artist to produce this work, preserving in rock-like material the "Little Bob" we fondly remember. Forget the missing educational credentials and that sordid brothel case; this Bob is real and will never move from his dignified position. This model is Totally Unauthorized by the other Bob, so it will be available only from the Research Center and in limited quantities. Each model is hand-produced and hand-painted by the artist. This heirloom is not sold in stores at any price! --gc  #littlebob $30.00 - More To order with Visa/MC, call 702-729-2648, or see Ordering Info.

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Cover Image The Lazar Tape - offers a "science lesson" on anti-gravity propulsion systems and a summary of Bob Lazar's claimed experiences at "Area S-4" - alleged site of a secret hangar housing alien craft. Whether you believe him or not, his claims are both intelligent and restrained, adhering closely to the "facts" of what he says he experienced. This product is the original homemade Lazar Tape repackaged in a slick new box; it is not the "new" Lazar Tape that has been promised by Huff and Lazar for several years but that has never materialized. Our main reservation about this tape is it's high cost for its short length (not to mention Lazar's shaky credibility, but you know about that already). For the same $40 you can get an interview with a less rehearsed Lazar along with many other Area 51 characters in Hesemann's UFOs: Secrets of the Black World, which we recommend instead. --gc  #ltr $39.95 - More To order with Visa/MC, call 702-729-2648, or see Ordering Info.

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