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 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 17:57:36                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
stai pure tranquillo qui non = farai mai i=20 consigli=20 = comunali

e ci = mancherebbe=20 altro che ci arrogassimo anche questo=20 compito!
dici che =E8 dispendioso = mettere in=20 rete tutti gli atti? scusa ma il sito il = comune=20 lo paga a Kb? non c'=E8, in tutta la = pletora di=20 impiegati, dirigenti e funzionari, = quello=20 deputato alla pubblicazione sul = sito?
Citazione:
ricordo ai piu' che prima che = venneri=20 mettesse in rete il sito comunale le = varie=20 delibere non erano a conoscenza di tutti = da casa=20 = propria

che ci = vuoi fare? i=20 tempi cambiano e anche le=20 abitudini......comunque vedi che il sito = non =E8=20 un di pi=F9, f=E0 parte del progetto di=20 informatizzazione della pubblica=20 amministrazione, dovrebbe anche servire = a=20 risparmiare sulla carta, quindi se io = vado a=20 chiedere la copia degli atti faccio = spendere al=20 comune i soldi per la carta altroccch=E8 = =E8 = dispendioso mettere=20 tutti gli atti in=20 = rete!

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Posso=20 resistere a tutto ma non alle=20 tentazioni=20
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libero
Senior=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 18:28:52                3D"Comincia=20
Le = indubbie capacit=E0=20 di ZIOSARINO non le mette in discussione = nessuno=20 !!!!! Ma mi farei tagliare mani e piedi = se=20 L'assessore Spada =E8 stato scelto da = Venneri=20 !!!!! Fatti dire dallo zietto come = considerava e=20 come si esprimeva in sedi istituzionali = e non=20 riguardo all'attuale primo = cittadino!!!Scusami=20 ma come tu avevi precedentemente = detto,in amore=20 e in guerra(ed aggiungo in politica) = tutto =E8=20 concesso.
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kashiwara
Advanced=20 Member



Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 18:35:16                3D"Comincia=20
Buonasera tuttanza.=20 Certo =E8 vero che il Forum passa da = periodi di=20 letargo ad attivit=E0 = frenetica!

Vi lascio=20 giusto per 24 ore, ccu me ddafriscu = lu=20 cervellu, ca nu bbe supportu cchiui .... = , ritorno = e trovo un=20 sacco di novit=E0.

 =
 Illustre=20 conforumiano
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francescof
Senior=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 18:35:48                  3D"Comincia=20
Caro = Consigliere=20 Caiffa,
=E8 entrato su questo forum = per=20 difendere la sua reputazione offesa e = ferita. Ne=20 ha ben diritto. Il problema =E8, caro = consigliere=20 Caiffa, che in questo momento la = politica=20 gallipolina =E8 sotto accusa, e ad = accusarla non =E8=20 l'uomo della strada, ma rappresentanti = dello=20 Stato. E lei, di fronte ad orizzonti = cos=EC=20 tenebrosi, di fronte all'ipotesi di=20 "scioglimento del consiglio per = infiltrazioni=20 mafiose" cosa fa? Preferisce difendere = la sua=20 onorata reputazione e tacere su tutto il = resto.=20 Meglio sarebbe stato, allora, tacere e = basta!=20 Non sarebbe stata forse la scelta pi=F9=20 dignitosa?
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kashiwara
Advanced=20 Member



Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 18:55:46                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
Io non collaboro. Se vuoi = inserire=20 qualcosa, fai pure.

Allora, il = parere=20 dell'avvocato ce l'abbiamo?

Credo = che non=20 abbiate voglia di ascoltare i nostri = Consiglieri=20 Comunali al lavoro.



Originariamente = inviato da=20 = malatrone - 18/09/2008 : =20 = 15:22:27



Sei = piuttosto=20 diretto e spigoloso ....... comunque, = visto che=20 ci tieni cos=EC tanto sono proprio = propenso a=20 lasciarti la "patata = bollente".
Comunque sia=20 sono in contatto con alcuni avvocati per = aver il=20 "via libera".
Se la cosa non ti = disturba, sia=20 chiaro.=20
 Illustre=20 conforumiano
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paolo73
Advanced=20 Member


Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 19:45:07                3D"Comincia=20
saluto = anche io il=20 neoconsigliere e neoforumista Luigi = Caiffa.=20 Comunque stai gi=E0 resistendo pi=F9 del = previsto...ma credo che ti aspettavi gli = attacchi.
Gi=E0 avevo sottolineato = anche io che=20 non eri tu il presidente della = protezione civile=20 e visto che dici
Citazione:
luigicaiffa Inviata - = 18/09/2008 :=20 15:17:28
poi tanto per informare i = piu', io=20 non sono mai stato presidente o non ho = mai=20 rivestito alcun ruolo all'interno della=20 protezione civile, secondo chiarimento = non ho=20 nessun viglino o vigile a tempo = determinato che=20 lavora per mio nome o=20 = conto,

come ha = detto=20 sognatore emerge che qualche altro tuo = collega=20 invece al = contrario....ecc.ecc.

Inoltre=20 anche io ho dei dubbi su certi atti = d'amore=20 pubblici e anche io credo che i tuoi = potrebbero=20 (e dico potrebbero) essere motivati, al=20 contrario di quelli per esempio di = Scariolo, da=20 altri fini. D'altra parte lo hai detto = anche tu=20 che non ti consideri un novello e che = hai=20 esperienza politica ed effettivamente lo = hai=20 dimostrato in alcune risposte delle = quali mi=20 complimento con te in quanto hai usato = un=20 perfetto linguaggio politichese e hai = detto=20 senza sbilanciarti...d'altra parte lo = hai detto=20 tu:in amore ed in guerra tutto =E8 = possibile per=20 cui io non mi stupirei di niente, tenuto = conto=20 di ci=F2 che ha detto libero e = cio=E8:
Citazione:
libero Inviata - 18/09/2008 : = 17:28:52=20
Le indubbie capacit=E0 di ZIOSARINO = non le=20 mette in discussione nessuno !!!!! Ma mi = farei=20 tagliare mani e piedi se L'assessore = Spada =E8=20 stato scelto da Venneri !!!!! Fatti dire = dallo=20 zietto come considerava e come si = esprimeva in=20 sedi istituzionali e non riguardo = all'attuale=20 primo cittadino!!!=20 =
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democratico
Average=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 20:00:35                3D"Comincia=20
Benvenuto al=20 Consigliere Caiffa anche da parte mia. = Volevo=20 innanzitutto chiarire al giovane = amministratore=20 che quando si parla del mandato dei = cinque anni=20 di un consiglio Comunale non si parla di = legislatura (sarebbe proprio un bel = guaio se il=20 Consiglio di Gallipoli dovesse fare = anche le=20 leggi!!!) ma di consiliatura. C'=E8 una = bella=20 differenza. Poi vorrei ricordare che = durare in=20 carica cinque lunghissimi anni, come tu = auguri=20 alla Giunta Venneri, non =E8 un fatto = positivo di=20 per se stesso. Alla stabilit=E0 = amministrativa=20 vanno affiancati risultati concreti. = Scusami=20 sai, ma nei cinque anni passati,=20 l'Amministrazione Venneri, nonostante il = suo=20 slogan, non ne ha prodotti poi tanti. E = basta=20 guardarsi attorno per capirlo. E devo = dire che=20 la parte politica in cui militavi = (l'UDC) ne era=20 abbastanza consapevole. Tant'=E8 che il = buon De=20 Marini ha preso subito le distanze. = Ultimo=20 particolare: quei cinque anni Venneri se = li =E8=20 guadagnati grazie a due consiglieri = transfughi=20 (Picciolo e Vallebona) eletti per la = minoranza,=20 grazie al buon Fasano che aveva messo = s=F9 due=20 liste civiche. Non si sa a quale prezzo. = Questa=20 volta, alla prima seduta del Consiglio = ha fatto=20 analogo acquisto con Padovano, eletto = nel PD,=20 anche questa volta candidato grazie al = buon=20 Fasano! Sar=E0 una = coincidenza?=20
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luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 20:27:50                3D"Comincia=20
ragazzi = i miei=20 complimenti siete uno sballo... =
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sognatore
Average=20 Member

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 Spedito - 18/09/2008 : =20 23:42:33                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
democratico Inviata - = 18/09/2008 :=20 19:00:35
Benvenuto al Consigliere = Caiffa=20 anche da parte mia. Volevo innanzitutto = chiarire=20 al giovane amministratore che quando si = parla=20 del mandato dei cinque anni di un = consiglio=20 Comunale non si parla di legislatura = (sarebbe=20 proprio un bel guaio se il Consiglio di=20 Gallipoli dovesse fare anche le = leggi!!!) ma di=20 consiliatura. C'=E8 una bella = differenza. Poi=20 vorrei ricordare che durare in carica = cinque=20 lunghissimi anni, come tu auguri alla = Giunta=20 Venneri, non =E8 un fatto positivo di = per se=20 stesso. Alla stabilit=E0 amministrativa = vanno=20 affiancati risultati concreti. Scusami = sai, ma=20 nei cinque anni passati, = l'Amministrazione=20 Venneri, nonostante il suo slogan, non = ne ha=20 prodotti poi tanti. E basta guardarsi = attorno=20 per capirlo. E devo dire che la parte = politica=20 in cui militavi (l'UDC) ne era = abbastanza=20 consapevole. Tant'=E8 che il buon De = Marini ha=20 preso subito le distanze. Ultimo = particolare:=20 quei cinque anni Venneri se li =E8 = guadagnati=20 grazie a due consiglieri transfughi = (Picciolo e=20 Vallebona) eletti per la minoranza, = grazie al=20 buon Fasano che aveva messo s=F9 due = liste=20 civiche. Non si sa a quale prezzo. = Questa volta,=20 alla prima seduta del Consiglio ha fatto = analogo=20 acquisto con Padovano, eletto nel PD, = anche=20 questa volta candidato grazie al buon = Fasano!=20 Sar=E0 una coincidenza?=20 =


che = deve dire un=20 consigliere di Venneri? forse che la sua = maggioranza deve durare poco? e poi io, = chiss=E0=20 perch=E8, sono sempre convinto che = l'amico caiffa=20 abbia i suoi buon motivi per dire, oggi, = queste=20 cose...ma chiss=E0 che ne penser=E0 fra = qualche=20 tempo...e quale sar=E0 il suo pensiero = su=20 Venneri...
Comunque abbiamo avuto il = classico=20 esempio di come l'intento di democratico = fosse=20 quello di attaccare Fasano piuttosto che = quello=20 di criticare il consigliere...Quale =E8 = la=20 coincidenza di cui parli? Solo Fasano ha = scelto=20 di mettere in lista Padovano? Io so che = c'=E8=20 stata una lunga discussione all'interno = del PD,=20 dove una larga maggioranza era d'accordo = sull'ingresso di Padovano e non, ad = esempio,=20 sull'ingresso di un'altra persona che = pure poi =E8=20 stata eletta in un'altra lista. Mi = risulta che=20 persino Nestola (come Blasi) non ha = trovato=20 ostacoli ad una candidatura non proibita = dallo=20 statuto del partito. Certo =E8 stato un = errore=20 candidarlo...come =E8 stato un errore = candidare=20 Schirosi a sindaco....errore ben pi=F9 = grave=20 oserei dire...di chi =E8 la colpa di=20 Fasano?
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democratico
Average=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 08:51:54                3D"Comincia=20
Il mio = intento non=20 era quello di criticare Fasano, ma un = certo modo=20 di fare politica che, purtroppo, ha = preso piede=20 da un p=F2 di anni a questa parte. Le = liste=20 vengono preparate senza tener conto = della=20 coerenza politica, della moralit=E0 = dimostrata,=20 della competenza, ma solo sulla base di = calcoli=20 elettorali. Entrambi gli schieramenti = hanno=20 fatto questo, a tutto discapito della = citt=E0 che=20 non vede una classe politica seria. = Sulla=20 discussione in casa PD non sono infomato = quanto=20 te, ma mi basta sapere che la = maggioranza di=20 quel Partito =E8 in mano a Fasano e che = tutte le=20 scelte, anche quella di Schirosi, se = proprio non=20 =E8 stata fatta da Fasano, =E8 stata = comunque da lui=20 condizionata ed, alla fine, approvata.=20 L'apparentamento con De Marini, da lui=20 fortemente voluto, ha poi dato la mano = decisiva=20 a Venneri.
 Paese: = Italy =20 ~  Invii: 35 =20 ~  Membro da:=20 01/03/2008  ~  UltimaVisita:=20 19/09/2008 -> = Moderatore  =20

68ttino
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 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 09:44:05                3D"Comincia=20
CITAZIONE:"ragazzi i=20 miei complimenti siete uno=20 sballo..."

caro luigi caiffa,come = diceva=20 saggiamente mary poppins:"se tu non sai = che dire=20 non ti devi scoraggiar, ti basta una = parola e=20 per un'ora puoi=20 = parlar......SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICHESPIRALIDOSO"=20 !!!!=20
Modificato da - 68ttino = on=20 19/09/2008 09:45:35
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luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:01:56                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:

caro luigi caiffa,come = diceva=20 saggiamente mary poppins:"se tu non sai = che dire=20 non ti devi scoraggiar, ti basta una = parola e=20 per un'ora puoi=20 = parlar......SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICHESPIRALIDOSO"=20 !!!!

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = 68ttino - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 08:44:05



infatti io dicevo=20 quello che realmente pensavo...siete uno = sballo...mi diverto a leggere i vostri=20 interventi , e faccio = ancor di piu' i=20 complimenti a brenno per i file creati e = messi=20 in onda su youtube.....quando ne metti = on-line=20 altri fammelo sapere.... =
 Paese: = Italy =20 ~  Invii: 24 =20 ~  Membro da:=20 18/09/2008  ~  UltimaVisita:=20 19/09/2008 -> = Moderatore  =20

kashiwara
Advanced=20 Member



Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:06:55                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
Citazione:

caro luigi caiffa,come = diceva=20 saggiamente mary poppins:"se tu non sai = che dire=20 non ti devi scoraggiar, ti basta una = parola e=20 per un'ora puoi=20 = parlar......SUPERCALIFRAGILISTICHESPIRALIDOSO"=20 !!!!

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = 68ttino - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 08:44:05



infatti io = dicevo quello=20 che realmente pensavo...siete uno = sballo...mi=20 diverto a leggere i vostri interventi = , e faccio = ancor di=20 piu' i complimenti a brenno per i file = creati e=20 messi in onda su youtube.....quando = ne metti=20 on-line altri fammelo sapere....

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = luigicaiffa - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 12:01:56



ehi = ciccio, vedi=20 bene che la coppia =E8
BRENNO & = KASHIWARA=20 DJ


Comunque = continua=20 cos=EC ed un bel video tutto tuo te lo = faremo di=20 sicuro!

=
 Illustre=20 conforumiano
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luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:22:27                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:


ehi ciccio, vedi bene = che la=20 coppia =E8
BRENNO & KASHIWARA=20 DJ


Comunque continua = cos=EC ed un bel=20 video tutto tuo te lo faremo di=20 sicuro!



Originariamente = inviato da=20 = kashiwara - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 11:06:55


scusa...hai ragione=20 complimenti anche a te......sono curioso = di=20 vedere che inventate......


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Devo = confessare che=20 mi fa senso constatare lo stile (un p=F2 = da fuori=20 moda o meglio da retr=F2) del = Consigliere Caiffa=20 che deve ancora imparare la nobilt=E0 = (anche di=20 stile e non solo di contenuti che = mancano al=20 momento) di un ruolo = istituzionale.
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A proposito di questo = benedetto=20 elenco sappia il consigliere Caiffa che = il suo=20 ministro Brunetta ha messo in rete i = Comuni che=20 hanno fino ad oggi disatteso l'obbligo = di=20 pubblicizzazione sul sito e addirittura = di invio=20 degli elenchi al Ministero. In = quell'elenco dei=20 Comuni inadempienti guarda caso vi =E8 = il Comune=20 di Gallipoli. E sappia visto che = nell'ultimo=20 Consiglio comunale era pi=F9 intento a = meditare su=20 dichiaraziuoni di amorosi sensi, che la=20 Relazione sulla verifica=20 amministrativo-contabile eseguita dal 23 = luglio=20 al 31 agosto 2007 per conto del = Ministero=20 dell'Economia e delle Finanze oltre a = rilevare=20 numerose illegittimit=E0 e violazioni di = legge=20 dice che :per quanto concerne, = inoltre, gli=20 altri adempimenti per tale tipo di = spesadalla=20 stessa legge finanziaria 2005 si =E8 = rilevato che=20 in ordine all'obbligo di trasmissione = degli atti=20 in questione alla competente Sezione di=20 controllo della Corte dei Conti=20 l'Amministrazione comunale non ha = provveduto,=20 per nessuno degli incarichi conferiti = dal 2005,=20 ad espletare tale adempimento". Tale = relazione risulta agli atti e nel = verbale n. 10=20 dell'ultimo consiglio comunale il = Presidente ha=20 comunicato l'ordine impartito al = riguardo dalla=20 Corte dei Conti.
Riporto il contenuto = della=20 delibera n. 10 "Il Presidente = comunica al=20 Consiglio la nota ricevuta da parte = della Corte=20 dei Conti in cui si
disponeva che il=20 Presidente del Consiglio ne desse = comunicazione=20 al Consiglio per le valutazioni di = competenza di=20 cui all'art. 1, comma 168, della legge = 266/2005=20 e che ha disposto di distribuire in = copia ai=20 consiglieri. Invita la Dirigente agli = Affari=20 Generali di dare
lettura in nome e = per conto=20 della Presidenza.
La Dr.ssa Rella = legge la=20 nota della Corte dei Conti in=20 atti".
Spero che il Consigliere = Caiffa=20 l'abbia letta e che sappia in = conseguenza che la=20 mancata adozione di tutti i = provvedimenti che=20 configurano danno per l'Ente potr=E0 = determinare=20 una condanna da parte della Corte dei = Conti al=20 pagamento a carico di tutti i=20 Consiglieri.
Concludendo, spero che = il=20 Consigliere Caiffa voglia misurarsi su = queste=20 questioni facendoci conoscere il suo = prezioso=20 parere magari dopo necessario consulto = con lo=20 zio che di queste materie ne=20 capisce.
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 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:48:54                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
Devo confessare che mi fa senso = constatare lo stile (un p=F2 da fuori = moda o=20 meglio da retr=F2) del Consigliere = Caiffa che deve=20 ancora imparare la nobilt=E0 (anche di = stile e non=20 solo di contenuti che mancano al = momento) di un=20 ruolo istituzionale.
Originariamente = inviato da=20 = dinomagno - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 11:27:27



ma la = mia domanda=20 e' una....perche' a casa siamo tutti = bravi e poi=20 quando c'e' da mettere la faccia siamo = tutti=20 impegnati in altro??? e poi c'e' = una colpa ad=20 essere una persona ironica?? o anche = questo e'=20 perseguito da qualche legge?? allora ho = capito deco=20 stare qui su questo "rispettabile" forum = e non=20 essere me stesso, non dire quello che = voglio=20 dire o scrivere e leggere voi altri, e = ripeto=20 non mi infastidisce e non mi sento = offeso di=20 leggervi, al piu' mi fa star meglio, mi=20 diverte =
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Advanced=20 Member


Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:55:52                3D"Comincia=20
Non = confessare di=20 essere te stesso in questo modo. Oddio = ognuno si=20 diverte come pu=F2. E penso che si = diverta=20 altrettanto il tuo elettorato.
E' per = questo=20 che Gallipoli sta come si dice "alle=20 pezze".
E con tutto sto casino dopo=20 l'assassinio di Padovano penso proprio = che=20 abbiamo toccato il fondo.
Io comunque = aspetto=20 sempre risposte adeguate alla nobilt=E0 = del=20 mandato che hai ricevuto. Altrimenti a=20 consuntivo non so se potrai dire ancora: = Oh come=20 mi sono = divertito.
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Junior=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 12:59:30                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
Fatti dire dallo zietto come = considerava=20 e come si esprimeva in sedi = istituzionali e non=20 riguardo all'attuale primo=20 cittadino!!!

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = libero - 18/09/2008 : =20 = 18:28:52



Mi = piacerebbe=20 leggere qualcosa al = riguardo.

Comunque=20 anche il nostro Deputato durante la 2a = met=E0=20 dello scorso anno ha detto mazze e corna = di=20 Venneri, salvo poi affermare durante la = campagna=20 elettorale "U Giuseppe ete nu bbellu=20 vagnone".

E che ******, un p=F2 = di=20 coerenza!





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moderato= =20 da Brenno=20
Modificato da - brenno on = 19/09/2008 13:06:35
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brenno
Moderatore



Stato: = Connesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 13:14:03                3D"Comincia=20
intervengo da=20 moderatore

ho provveduto ad = "epurare"=20 la parolina scritta da malatrone.
Una = cosa=20 sono i toni duri un'altra =E8 il cattivo = gusto.
Malatrone ti invito ad essere = pi=F9=20 corretto, se proprio non riesci a = trattenerti al=20 posto delle paroline mettici tanti = asterischi.=20 Personalmente, per=F2, mi auguro che non = sentirai=20 pi=F9 il bisogno di intercalare i tuoi = pensieri=20 con parole non propriamente=20 = "corrette".

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Posso=20 resistere a tutto ma non alle=20 tentazioni=20
 Illustre=20 conforumiano
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Senior=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 19:27:04                3D"Comincia=20
il = consigliere=20 Caiffa chiede=20
Citazione:
c'e' una colpa ad essere una = persona=20 = ironica??

assolutamente no,=20 direi io.....
il problema =E8 che, se = l'ironia=20 prende il posto delle risposte serie che = gli=20 sono state chieste, =E8 quanto meno = fuori=20 luogo

di risposte serie neanche=20 l'ombra.....stanno = lavorando.....

e poi,=20 caro Luigi Caiffa, la dovete finire con = la=20 storia=20
Citazione:
a=20 casa siamo tutti bravi e poi quando c'e' = da=20 mettere la faccia siamo tutti impegnati = in=20 = altro???

TUTTI GLI = ELETTORI=20 HANNO DIRITTO DI PAROLA
o pensate che = possa=20 parlare solo chi "ci mette la = faccia"?....quindi=20 solo chi si candida e viene=20 = eletto?


___________________________________________________Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.
 Paese: = Italy =20 ~  Invii: 145 =20 ~  Membro da:=20 20/02/2008  ~  UltimaVisita:=20 19/09/2008 -> = Moderatore  =20

luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 19:35:30                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
il consigliere Caiffa chiede =
Citazione:
c'e' una colpa ad essere una = persona=20 = ironica??

assolutamente no, = direi=20 io.....
il problema =E8 che, se = l'ironia prende=20 il posto delle risposte serie che gli = sono state=20 chieste, =E8 quanto meno fuori = luogo

di=20 risposte serie neanche = l'ombra.....stanno=20 lavorando.....

e poi, caro Luigi = Caiffa,=20 la dovete finire con la storia
Citazione:
a=20 casa siamo tutti bravi e poi quando c'e' = da=20 mettere la faccia siamo tutti impegnati = in=20 = altro???

TUTTI GLI ELETTORI = HANNO=20 DIRITTO DI PAROLA
o pensate che possa = parlare=20 solo chi "ci mette la faccia"?....quindi = solo=20 chi si candida e viene=20 = eletto?


___________________________________________________Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = busehexe - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 18:27:04


certo che = no tutti=20 hanno diritto di dire quello che = pensano, e di=20 proporre quello che vorrebbero, eccdo il = perche'=20 della mi adiscussione proposta...ma non = c'e=20 proposte...quindi....come la=20 mettiamo????
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Junior=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:07:04                3D"Comincia=20
..... = stamu=20 propriu cu le pezze allu culu ..... = povera=20 Caddhripuli! ...

.... sciamu = nnanzi=20 cosine ca sciamu spettacolari!


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busehexe
Senior=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:21:27                3D"Comincia=20
ma come = fai a dire=20 che non ci sono proposte?

i = nostri thread=20 sono pieni di proposte.....li hai letti=20 tutti?

poi, sei tu il CONSIGLIERE = comunale,=20 = no?



___________________________________________________Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.
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luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:27:53                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
ma come fai a dire che non ci = sono=20 proposte?

i nostri thread sono = pieni di=20 proposte.....li hai letti = tutti?

poi, sei=20 tu il CONSIGLIERE comunale,=20 = no?



___________________________________________________Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = busehexe - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 19:21:27


no non = gli ho letti=20 tutti, ma puoi sempre=20 riscriverli
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busehexe
Senior=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:34:43                3D"Comincia=20
dopo = questa......non=20 ti rispondo neanche.....

anzi, = cito=20 malatrone=20
Citazione:
povera Caddhripuli! ... =

....=20 sciamu nnanzi cosine ca sciamu = spettacolari!=20 =




_________________________________________= __________
Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.
 Paese: = Italy =20 ~  Invii: 145 =20 ~  Membro da:=20 20/02/2008  ~  UltimaVisita:=20 19/09/2008 -> = Moderatore  =20

luigicaiffa
Average=20 Member

Stato: = Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:39:47                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
dopo questa......non ti = rispondo=20 neanche.....

anzi, cito malatrone =
Citazione:
povera Caddhripuli! ... =

....=20 sciamu nnanzi cosine ca sciamu = spettacolari!=20 =




_________________________________________= __________
Amerai=20 sempre il mare, uomo libero. E' il tuo=20 specchio.

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = busehexe - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 19:34:43


contento = tu...che=20 costa riaffermare le proprie idee o = proposte=20 serie????? = booooooooooooooo=20
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libero
Senior=20 Member

Stato:=20 Sconnesso=20 =

 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:42:16                3D"Comincia=20
Busehexe = ,non=20 fraintendermi nuovamente,ma hai = perfettamente=20 ragione. Probabilmente il consigliere = Caiffa con=20 tutto quello studio approfondito che = deve fare=20 per salvare Gallipoli,con tutto il tempo = che gli=20 porta via il nuovo capitolato d'appalto = della=20 "munnezza",con tutto il tempo che deve = perdere=20 dietro zietti e cuginetti ingegneri ed=20 architetti,come fa a leggere quello che = quattro=20 "stupidi sognatori"scrivono per = descrivere come=20 si immaginano questa meravigliosa = citt=E0=20 dimenticata da Dio!!!! =
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luigicaiffa
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 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:45:11                3D"Comincia=20
Citazione:
Busehexe ,non fraintendermi = nuovamente,ma=20 hai perfettamente ragione. Probabilmente = il=20 consigliere Caiffa con tutto quello = studio=20 approfondito che deve fare per salvare=20 Gallipoli,con tutto il tempo che gli = porta via=20 il nuovo capitolato d'appalto della=20 "munnezza",con tutto il tempo che deve = perdere=20 dietro zietti e cuginetti ingegneri ed=20 architetti,come fa a leggere quello che = quattro=20 "stupidi sognatori"scrivono per = descrivere come=20 si immaginano questa meravigliosa = citt=E0=20 dimenticata da Dio!!!!

Originariamente = inviato da=20 = libero - 19/09/2008 : =20 = 19:42:16


forse = sara' come dici=20 tu...intanto io credo di seguire e = spesso=20 realizzare quello che sogno, quando c'e' = un=20 problema non indico il dito contro gli = altri, mi=20 carico del problema e lo = affronto......che c'e=20 ti rode qualosa???? =
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Senior=20 Member

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 Spedito - 19/09/2008 : =20 20:54:34                3D"Comincia=20
Stai = tranquillo che=20 anche noi quanto prima realizzeremo il = nostro=20 sogno............ =
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