WIGLEY-OTTEN

HALLO AGAIN. (I HAVE TO WRITE IN CAPITALS DUE TO EYESIGHT PROBLEMS)

I HAVE FINALLY STARTED WORKING ON THE MORAN FAMILY, BUT I’VE COME UP AGAINST A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS:

1. YOU SAY YOU ARE DESCENDED FROM ***JOSEPHINE MARIE MORAN*** 1892–1973, AND QUOTE

A) THE 1910 CENSUS: BUT, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, JOSEPHINE MARIE BORN 1892 DOES NOT APPEAR IN IT, ONLY A JOSEPHINE J., BORN 1899

B) THE 1930 CENSUS: BUT. AGAIN AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, JOSEPHINE MARIE BORN 1892 DOES NOT APPEAR IN IT

C) THE 1940 CENSUS: I CAN ONLY SEE A MARGARET MORAN, BORN ABOUT 1900, WIDOW.

I CAN HOWEVER SEE A CENSUS ENTRY FOR JOSEPH AND JOSEPHINE PERO AND CHILDREN (INCLUDING HERMAN), JOSEPHINE AGE AGAIN 40, SO BORN ABOUT 1900

2. FURTHERMORE, IN 1900, ONLY A “JOHANNA?”, BORN 1899 APPEARS.

3. AND IN 1920, JOSEPHINE PERO, AGE 20, SO BORN ABOUT 1900

4.WHAT AGE DOES THE DEATH RECORD GIVE? HALLO AGAIN. (I HAVE TO WRITE IN CAPITALS DUE TO EYESIGHT PROBLEMS)

I HAVE FINALLY STARTED WORKING ON THE MORAN FAMILY, BUT I’VE COME UP AGAINST A COUPLE OF PROBLEMS:

1. YOU SAY YOU ARE DESCENDED FROM ***JOSEPHINE MARIE MORAN*** 1892–1973, AND QUOTE

A) THE 1910 CENSUS: BUT, AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, JOSEPHINE MARIE BORN 1892 DOES NOT APPEAR IN IT, ONLY A JOSEPHINE J., BORN 1899

B) THE 1930 CENSUS: BUT. AGAIN AS FAR AS I CAN SEE, JOSEPHINE MARIE BORN 1892 DOES NOT APPEAR IN IT

C) THE 1940 CENSUS: I CAN ONLY SEE A MARGARET MORAN, BORN ABOUT 1900, WIDOW.

I CAN HOWEVER SEE A CENSUS ENTRY FOR JOSEPH AND JOSEPHINE PERO AND CHILDREN (INCLUDING HERMAN), JOSEPHINE AGE AGAIN 40, SO BORN ABOUT 1900

2. FURTHERMORE, IN 1900, ONLY A “JOHANNA?”, BORN 1899 APPEARS.

3. AND IN 1920, JOSEPHINE PERO, AGE 20, SO BORN ABOUT 1900

4.WHAT AGE DOES THE DEATH RECORD GIVE?

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THE OTTEN FAMILY, ENGLAND and NEW YORK STATE, USA

including the MORAN family, NEW YORK STATE, USA

GENERATIONS ARE NUMBERED FROM THE FIRST TRACED ANCESTOR, RICHARD WIGLEY II (about 1600-1661), AND HAVE THE FOLLOWING BACKGROUND COLOUR:

EDWARD WIGLEY II’s CHILDREN (continued)

8W..

JANE WIGLEY II

GENERATION

born 22 MAY 1839, St George In The East (Stepney), Middx^CERT

died ?

married 1861~65?, HENRY OTTEN I, son of Herman Otten, tobacco labourer, born in Germany, and Sarah Rebecca --, born in Shoreditch, Middx

born about 1840, St George In The East (Stepney), Middx / Germany

died ? Menands, New York, Albany Rural Cemetery Bur

● one tree on Ancestry (belonging to a descendant of the Moran family, see below) has a Jane Wigley in the 1881 census at the Kent County Lunatic Asylum, Barming Heath, Maidstone, Kentt, age 41 (so born about 1840), married (therefore Wigley would have been her husband’s surname), born in Hoo, Kent (which Jane certainly was not)

● it also has a Henry Otten buried at Albany Rural Cemetery, Menands, New York, USA, having died 18 FEB 1902, Albany, and been buried 23 APR 1902, prostatic abcess, age 63 (so born about 1839), born in England late residence 9 Catherine Street

Street address:

Marital status: Married

● nothing more is known about Henry Otten

CHILDREN

BORN

DIED

NOTES

HENRY (HARRY)? OTTEN II

1861, England^CENSUS

SEP 1939^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}, USA?, age according to gravestone 82, buried Jerusalem Cemetery, Feura Bush, Albany County, New York, USA , plot 424 ^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

SEE BELOW

MARY ANN OTTEN

23 JUN 1866, Whitechapel, Middx, baptized 29 JAN 1871, St Mary, Whitechapel, Middx?^CERT

1 AUG 1938, Albany, New York state, USA^FAM^{, BMD}, age 73

OTHERS?

JANE WIGLEY II’s CHILDREN

THE OTTEN FAMILY, NEW YORK STATE, USA

HENRY (HARRY) OTTEN II

WIGLEY OTTEN MYSTERY

GENERATION

born 1861, England^CENSUS

died SEP 1939^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}, USA?, age according to gravestone 82, buried Jerusalem Cemetery, Feura Bush, Albany County, New York, USA , plot 424^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married 15 SEP 1879, Christ Church, Ramsgate, Kent, MARION PANTRY, daughter of Edward Pantry, groom & gardener^CERT

born about 1861, Lymne, Kent^CENSUS / 1862, England / Scotland?^CENSUS

died JUN 1939^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}, USA?, age according to gravestone 76, buried Jerusalem Cemetery, Feura Bush, Albany County, New York, USA , plot 424^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

● the marriage certificate is for Harry Wigley, resident at Dunkirk, Kent, father Edward Wigley, policeman, who was in fact his grandfather, which he presumably stated as he was the illegitimate son of Edward’s daughter Jane. Edward was living in Dunkirk in the 1871 and 1881 censuses

● the family emigrated to the USA in 1883, and were naturalized in 1892?

● there were already Ottens in New York state, some of German origin, so perhaps Henry went to join his (German) relatives

● in the 1880 US census there was a Charles Otten, born about 1845 in England, cigar maker, living in Albany

● in the 1851 UK census there was a Charles Otten, born about 1845 in Stepney, Middx, son of Herman (labourer in tobacco factory) and Sarah Reb. Otten, ie. Henry Otten I’s parents, and therefore Mary Ann’s uncle

● a Charles Otten, age 26 (so born about 1844), cigar maker, British, arrived in New York in 1869

● there were already Ottens in New York state, some of German origin, so perhaps Charles went to join his (German) relatives

Mother's Birthplace: England

Occupation:

● he paid for his cousin Herbert William Wigley’s ticket in 1904

● Henry (Harry), Marrion and their son Arthur R. are all buried in the same plot

● in the 1881 census Marion was shown as born in Lymne, Kent, but no birth record can be found there in that period

● in her son Harry Edward’s marriage certificate she was shown as Marion Heircourt, and in her daughter Gladys Edythe’s as Mary Alice Harcort

● nothing more is known about her

CHILDREN

BORN

DIED

NOTES

HARRY EDWARD OTTEN

4 JUL 1880^{MILITARY RECORD}/ 14 JUL 1880^…../ JUN 1880, England^CENSUS, baptized 18 JUL 1880, Christ Church, Dunkirk, Kent?^CERT / Q3 1880, Bridge, Kent R/D^BMD

after 1940^CENSUS / 16 DEC 1958, residence place Douwsburgh, Albany County, New York, USA, age 78 (so born about 1880)^BMD, buried Prospect Hill Cemetery, Guilderland, Albany County, New York, USA?^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

SEE BELOW

ALFRED CHARLES OTTEN

1882^CENSUS / 31 MAR 1883^{MILITARY
RECORD}, England^CENSUS / Q2 1882, Dartford, Kent R/D?^BMD

1920~25^CENSUS

GLADYS EDYTHE OTTEN

1892, New York state, USA^CENSUS / 9 JUN 1892, Westerlo, New York, USA?^BMD

6 FEB 1970, Galveston, Texas, USA [died of heart disease, etc]^CERT, age 77, buried? Galveston Memorial Park, Hitchcock, Galveston County, Texas, USA ^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

ARTHUR R. OTTEN

21 AUG 1898^….. / 22 AUG 1898^BMD, Westerlo, Albany County, New York state, USA^BMD

MAY 1945^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}, USA?, age according to gravestone 46, buried Jerusalem Cemetery, Feura Bush, Albany County, New York, USA , plot 424 ^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

● total 8 children by 1910 census, 4 already dead

MARY ANN OTTEN

GENERATION

born 23 JUN 1866, Whitechapel, Middx, baptized 29 JAN 1871, St Mary, Whitechapel, Middx?^CERT

died 1 AUG 1938, Albany, New York state, USA^FAM^{, OBITUARY}, age 73

married about 1887^CENSUS, JAMES H. MORAN I^FAM, son of and John Moran and Johanna Roche Roach^FAM

born JUL 1866, New York, USA^CENSUS

died after 1940^CENSUS

● no birth record can be found in Whitechapel, Middx R/D in the period 1865-7, either for Mary Ann Wigley or Otten

● a baptism has been found for Mary Ann Otten, daughter of Henry and Jane, born 23 JUN 1866, baptized 29 JAN? 1871, Whitechapel, Middx, but the father's occupation was given as "dock labourer", and the address was different from that in the 1871 census

● Mary Ann emigrated to the USA, arriving in New York on 8 JUL 1882, age 16 (so born about 1866)^{PASSENGER
LISTS}

● nor can any marriage for Mary Ann be found in New York state

● Mary Ann and James H. declared in the 1900 USA census that they had had 7 children, of whom 1 had already died, and; in 1910, 9 children, 1 of whom had already died

● as obviously in the 1900 census all the children up to Johanna¹⁹⁰⁰ / Joseph¹⁹⁰⁵ / Josephine J.¹⁹¹⁰ (all born about 1899, but listed under different names in the various censuses) only 6 children were listed, it is unclear who the child had died was

● a tree on Ancestry gives a Josephine Marie Moran, born 22 OCT 1892, died 1973, and claims to be descended from her. However, it later appears that she is actually descended from Josephine J. Moran, later Pero, who did die in 1973

● so this Josephine Marie is possibly the child who died before the 1900 census

● James H.’s parents were both born in Ireland^FAM^.

● nothing more is known about him

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KNICK NEWS

MORAN — Aug. 1, 1938. Mary A. Otten, wife of James H. Moran, mother of John, James and Henry Moran, Mrs. Dennis Toomey, Mrs. Joseph Pero and Mrs. Henry [sic] Wieland, at her late residence, 144 Franklin St. Relatives and friends of the family and Gold Star Mothers, American Legion 223, are invited to attend her funeral Thursday morning, 9 o'clock, thence to St. Ann’s Church, where a Solemn Requiem High Mass will be chanted for the repose of her soul.

CHILDREN

BORN / MARRIED

● all children except Josephine Marie, about whom there is some confusion, were born in New York state, USA^CENSUS

● all children have been derived from family sources, and have not been researched any further

NOTES

JOHN H. MORAN

born 23 APR 1887, Albany, New York, USA^MILITARY

died 3 JAN 1960, Albany, New York, USA^FAM, age 72

married 22 SEP 1909, Albany, New York, USA, CARRIE E. VOGEL^CERT (1887–1971)^FAM

children

JAMES H. MORAN II

born 7 MAR 1889, Albany, New York, USA^MILITARY^{, DEATH BMD}

died FEB 1964, last residence Albany, New York, USA^BMD, age 74

married 27 SEP 1913, Albany, New York, USA, NORA (LENORA^…..) MAY SNYDER^CERT (1893-1979^BMD)

children

JANE P. MORAN

MAR 1891^CENSUS

died ?

nothing more is known about her

JOSEPHINE MARIE MORAN

22 OCT 1892?^FAM

before 1900?^CENSUS

● see notes above

● nothing more is known about her

MARY A. MORAN “Marnie”

AUG 1893^CENSUS, Albany, New York, USA^…..

died 20 DEC 1962, Albany, New York, USA^FAM, age 69

married (1) 6 APR 1915, Albany, New York, USA, DENNIS P. TOOMEY^CERT, (1892–1979)^FAM

married (2) 18 AUG 1952, Rensselaer, New York, USA, CHARLES A. FLAGG^BMD (about 961?)^BMD

married (3) ARTHUR SHUTTER^FAM (1894–1969)^BMD

children

MICHAEL F. MORAN

NOV 1894^CENSUS

died 18 NOV 1918^{FAM, BMD}, France?, age about 24, buried Oise-Aisne American Cemetery, France^BMD[died of accident^BMD], (WW1 Casualty)

nothing more is known about him

JOSEPHINE J. MORAN

27 OCT 1899^{DEATH BMD} / NOV 1899^CENSUS

died AUG 1973, last residence Albany, New York, USA^BMD, age 73

30 DEC 1917, Albany, New York, USA, JOSEPH A(DAM^FAM). PERO ^CERT (1892-1962)^BMD

● the marriage record is for Josephine M. Moran

children

HENRY J. MORAN

5 APR 1905, Albany, New York, USA^MILITARY / 5 APR 1905^{DEATH BMD} / 11 APR 1905^{DEATH BMD}

died 13 AUG 1970, Los Angeles, California, USA^BMD / last residence Riverside, California, USA^BMD, age 65

married 29 SEP 1933, Albany , New York, USA, AGNES M. TOWNLEY?^CERT

children ?

HELEN MARIE MORAN

8 JUL 1907^{DEATH BMD}

died 22 FEB 1991, last residence Selkirk, New York, USA^BMD, age 83

married 24 APR 1926, Albany, New York, USA, FREDERICK J. WIELAND^CERT (1905- 1993?)^BMD

children

● total 7 children by 1900 census, 1 already dead

● total 9 children by 1910 census, 1 already dead

HENRY II (HARRY) OTTEN’s CHILDREN

HARRY EDWARD OTTEN

GENERATION

born 4 JUL 1880^{MILITARY RECORD}/ 14 JUL 1880^…../ JUN 1880, England^CENSUS, baptized 18 JUL 1880, Christ Church, Dunkirk, Kent?^CERT / Q3 1880, Bridge, Kent R/D^BMD

died after 1940^CENSUS / 16 DEC 1958, residence place Douwsburgh, Albany County, New York, USA, age 78 (so born about 1880)^BMD, buried Prospect Hill Cemetery, Guilderland, Albany County, New York, USA?^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married (1) 24 NOV 1910, Gloversville, New York, USA, ELIZABETH KEHRER, daughter of Peter C. Kehrer and Anna Justin?^CERT

born about 1889, New York state, USA

died 1947^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}, USA?, age according to gravestone 59, buried Prospect Hill Cemetery, Guilderland, Albany County, New York, USA^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married (2?) 3 DEC 1948, Schenectady, New York, USA, KATHRYN J. TRUAX^BMD, daughter of Frank Truax, farmer / labour, general farm, and Florence M. --^CENSUS

born 6 JUL 1919^{BMD, DEATH BMD}, Berne, Albany County, New York, USA^BMD

died MAY 1987, last residence Schenectady, New York, USA^BMD, age 67, buried? Prospect Hill Cemetery, Guilderland, Albany County, New York, USA^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

● the birth record is for Harry Edward Wigley, mother's maiden name Pantry

● the baptism record is for Harry Edward Wigley, son of Harry & Marion Wigley

● in the marriage certificate Harry Edward’s mother is given as Marion Heircourt – see note concerning his sister Marion Edythe’s marriage (BELOW)

● in his U.S. World War I and II Draft Registration Cards, Harry Edward gave his name as Harry Edwin Otten, born 4 JUL 1880 in England

● the 1958 death is for Harry B. Otten, which might easily be a mistranscription for Harry E. Otten – unfortunately the image of the record is not available

● a plain Harry Otten, born 4 JUL, no year given, died DEC 1958

● on Harry Edward’s gravestone no date of death is given, so it is not clear when he died, and if he is actually buried there

● nothing more is known about Elizabeth Kehrer or Kathryn J. Truax

‡

● the inscription on the gravestone:

HARRY E. OTTEN 1880 – (no date of death)

ELIZABETH KEHRER 1888 – 1947

KATHRYN TRUAX 1919 –

● so it is not clear when Harry Edward died, and if he is actually buried there

● the same goes for Kathryn J.

P H O T O

CHILDREN

BORN

DIED

NOTES

ROLAND EDWIN OTTEN

16 DEC 1917, New York state, USA

3 DEC 2004, New York state, USA, age 86

nothing more is known about him

OTHERS?

ALFRED CHARLES OTTEN

GENERATION

born 1882^CENSUS / 31 MAR 1883^{MILITARY
RECORD}, England^CENSUS / Q2 1882, Dartford, Kent R/D?^BMD

died 1920~25^CENSUS

married 27 SEP 1911, Schenectady, New York, USA, LULA M. KURTZNER^BMD, divorced 27 JUN 1924^BMD

born 12 MAY 1887, New York state, USA

died FEB 1980, New York state, USA, age 92

● the Q2 1882, Dartford, Kent R/D birth is for Alfred Charles Otten, mother's maiden name Pantry

● the divorce record states that there was only 1 child

● nothing more is known about Lula M. Kurtzner

CHILDREN

BORN

DIED

NOTES

DONALD A. OTTEN

1 DEC 1912^BMD, Schenectady, New York state, USA^BMD

22 JUN 1966, last residence Schenectady, New York state, USA^BMD, age 53

SEE BELOW

OTHERS?

GLADYS EDYTHE OTTEN

P H O T O S

GENERATION

born JUN 1892, New York state, USA^CENSUS / 9 JUN 1892, Westerlo, New York, USA^BMD^{, DEATH BMD}

died 6 FEB 1970, Galveston, Texas, USA [died of heart disease, etc]^CERT, age 77, buried? Galveston Memorial Park, Hitchcock, Galveston County, Texas, USA ^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married (1?) 23 JAN 1912, Schenectady, New York, REVENUE JAMES WARNER, son of Ezra Warner and Alice Colyer^CERT, divorced

born 8 SEP 1889^{DEATH BMD}

died 24 APR 1970, last residence Lake Luzerne, Warren County, New York, USA^BMD, age 80, buried Lake Luzerne Cemetery^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married (2?) 1920~30^CENSUS, ARTHUR ALFORD STANLEY, son of Alfred Stanley and Caroline Meyer^DEATH^CERT

born 28 APR 1894, Galveston, Texas, USA^DEATH^CERT

died 4 OCT 1967, St Mary’s Hospital, Galveston, Texas, USA, age 73 [died of cerebral hemorrhage], buried? Galveston Memorial Park, Hitchcock, Galveston County, Texas, USA^CERT

● a female Otten, no name, was born 9 JUN 1892, Westerlo, New York, USA, which is where her brother Arthur R. was born

● in the 1900 census the name appears to be Gladdis E., in the 1905 and 1910 censuses Gladys E.

● in her 1^st marriage certificate her name was given as Gladys E. Otten, mother's maiden name Mary Alice Harcort – see note concerning her brother Harry Ed(win?)’s marriage (ABOVE)

● in Arthur Alford’s death certificate her name was given as “Edythe Stanley”

● in her own death certificate her name was given as “Gladys Edythe Stanley”, mother's maiden name Marian Pantory, informant Mrs Hulda Otten – is not clear who the latter might have been, if indeed a relative

● as her 2^nd name is not shown in full in any other place, the spelling “Edythe” has been used here

● nothing more is known about Revenue James Warner

● Arthur Alford’s father was born in Australia and his mother in Germany^CENSUS

● he married (1) 12 FEB 1917, El Paso, Texas, USA, Lula Pearl Meek^CENSUS^{,
BMD}

● nothing more is known about him

‡

INSCRIPTION ON REVENUE JAMES’ GRAVESTONE,

LAKE LUZERNE CEMETERY, WARREN COUNTY, NEW YORK, USA

REVENUE J. WARNER

NEW YORK

CMM US NAVY

WORLD WAR I

SEP 8 1889 APR 24 1970

1^st marriage: CHILDREN?

2^nd marriage: CHILDREN?

● there are no children shown in any censuses

ARTHUR R. OTTEN

GENERATION

born 21 AUG 1898^….. / 22 AUG 1898^BMD, Westerlo, Albany County, New York state, USA^BMD

died 15 MAY 1945, Bethlehem, New York, USA^BMD, age 46, buried Jerusalem Cemetery, Feura Bush, Albany County, New York, USA, plot 424^{FINDAGRAVE.COM}

married 14 FEB 1920, Rensselaer, New York, USA, EDITH M. RARICK^BMD

born 23 SEP 1902, New York state, USA

died APR 1973, New York state, USA, age 70

nothing more is known about Edith M. Rarick

CHILDREN

BORN

DIED

NOTES

RUSSELL J. OTTEN

17 JUL 1921, Bethlehem, Albany County, New York, USA^BMD

JAN 1973, New York state, USA, age 51

nothing more is known about them

KENNETH A. OTTEN

18 SEP 1923, New Scotland, Albany County, New York state, USA^BMD

24 MAY 1952, Bethlehem, New York, USA^BMD, age 28

OTHERS?

ALFRED C(HARLES?) OTTEN’s CHILDREN

DONALD A. OTTEN

GENERATION

born 1 DEC 1912^BMD, Schenectady, New York state, USA^BMD

died 22 JUN 1966, last residence Schenectady, New York state, USA^BMD, age 53

married 1 JAN 1936, Schenectady, New York, USA, EVELYN M. SIMMONS^BMD

born 4 JAN 1916^BMD, New York state, USA^CENSUS

died 28 AUG 2011, last residence Ballston Spa, Saratoga County, New York state, USA^BMD, age 95

● DNA TESTING has shown that the Author, who is descended from David Wigley I, the brother of Donald A. Otten's great-grandmother Jane Wigley II, and a grandson of Donald A. are related

● nothing more is known about Evelyn M. Simmons

CHILDREN

BORN

NOTES

son^FAM

1940’s?

nothing more is known about him

daughter^FAM

1940’s?

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DONALD A. OTTEN’s CHILDREN

female OTTEN

GENERATION

born 1940’s?

married 23 MAR 1967, GEORGE CLIFFORD SOUTHWORTH^FAM, son of George Southworth and Vera Lillian Dixon^FAM

born 19 DEC 1942, Maine, USA^FAM

died 25 JUN 2010, Castleton-on-Hudson, Rensselaer County, New York, USA^BMD, age 67

nothing more is known about George Clifford Southworth

CHILDREN

BORN

NOTES

3 sons^FAM

nothing more is known about them – SEE NEXT PAGE

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